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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,
   I had natural childbirth with both of my children. I took Bradley classes and had a wonderful teacher. I had a birth plan, but my doctor replied &quot;Youve never done this before, if you want natural birth you better not come to the hospital till your at the end&quot; with a condescending tone. We didnt have birth centers or doulas, just mentions from net research on midwives even though they werent &quot;legal&quot; in the sense to do a home birth but there were names floating around.

I had back labor for my first child, I spent most of it in the shower, standing and hot water beating on my lower back to deal with the pain, then sat on the bed from there with my husband putting intense pressure in my lower back, it was to the point he had his foot jabbed in my lower back. I couldnt take the pain anymore and told him lets go to the hospital, I could handle it, he kept telling me &quot;Your going to get drugs!&quot; and at that point I was in so much pain and didnt want to hear anything, just get me to the hospital. As soon as we got in the car I had the urge to push. Hospital was 5 min away, I was wheeled in middle of the night unable to walk cause I was pushing with contractions. The staff looked at me like &quot;Yeah right&quot; when I said I was ready. They examined me and said SHES READY and wheeled me off to deliver. I had my son 15 min after arrival, my water broke on the table when I got on it (laying on your back with back labor is horrid, you want to be upright to deal with the pain) But I was fine and with it once the baby was there. The dr said &quot;Well you did it, you got what you wanted&quot; that was one of the pluses to all this, that I told a doc what I wanted who doubted me and I was &quot;In your face!&quot; if you will. She did cut me, episiotomy, but otherwise nothing else was given, no IV, nada. I breastfed fine and everything went well.

Second birth I had a midwife an hour away that was covered by ins and had a birth center. My water broke middle of the night but was more like a small dribble gradual. We called and she said if I started to feel pain, as I wasnt, call back, it started after I hung up, I phoned back and she told me to head out. We drove our hour with me breathing thru contractions.

I did water birth, but to be honest I was so out of it when I got there nothing mattered other then getting the baby out. She manipulated my cervix with her hand, she used homepathic remedies she said that soften the lining, that I took later in the pregnancy. I had my second son within an hr after arrival, and didnt tear enough for even a stitch. She ordered food of our choice( i wanted Dennys grand slam) My baby stayed in the room, which was like a bedroom. And I went home in a few hours, I was almost shocked how soon they let me go home. And it never stung to go pee afterwards like the last one!

I had ideal births, and I must say. I dont like being pregnant and I dont like labor, ITS HURTS. I dont wish for an epidural or pain meds either. But despite it going well, IT HURTS. And Im not a woman who has forgotten that once the baby came as other say. I remember. IT HURTS!!!! And back labor OUCH that is rough. 

I wasnt sick all through my prenancies, in good health, and Im just not big on the whole ordeal. So we are all different. 

I am glad I did it and have great stories to tell and feel empowered, but I also dont want to do it again. Id rather adopt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
   I had natural childbirth with both of my children. I took Bradley classes and had a wonderful teacher. I had a birth plan, but my doctor replied &#8220;Youve never done this before, if you want natural birth you better not come to the hospital till your at the end&#8221; with a condescending tone. We didnt have birth centers or doulas, just mentions from net research on midwives even though they werent &#8220;legal&#8221; in the sense to do a home birth but there were names floating around.</p>
<p>I had back labor for my first child, I spent most of it in the shower, standing and hot water beating on my lower back to deal with the pain, then sat on the bed from there with my husband putting intense pressure in my lower back, it was to the point he had his foot jabbed in my lower back. I couldnt take the pain anymore and told him lets go to the hospital, I could handle it, he kept telling me &#8220;Your going to get drugs!&#8221; and at that point I was in so much pain and didnt want to hear anything, just get me to the hospital. As soon as we got in the car I had the urge to push. Hospital was 5 min away, I was wheeled in middle of the night unable to walk cause I was pushing with contractions. The staff looked at me like &#8220;Yeah right&#8221; when I said I was ready. They examined me and said SHES READY and wheeled me off to deliver. I had my son 15 min after arrival, my water broke on the table when I got on it (laying on your back with back labor is horrid, you want to be upright to deal with the pain) But I was fine and with it once the baby was there. The dr said &#8220;Well you did it, you got what you wanted&#8221; that was one of the pluses to all this, that I told a doc what I wanted who doubted me and I was &#8220;In your face!&#8221; if you will. She did cut me, episiotomy, but otherwise nothing else was given, no IV, nada. I breastfed fine and everything went well.</p>
<p>Second birth I had a midwife an hour away that was covered by ins and had a birth center. My water broke middle of the night but was more like a small dribble gradual. We called and she said if I started to feel pain, as I wasnt, call back, it started after I hung up, I phoned back and she told me to head out. We drove our hour with me breathing thru contractions.</p>
<p>I did water birth, but to be honest I was so out of it when I got there nothing mattered other then getting the baby out. She manipulated my cervix with her hand, she used homepathic remedies she said that soften the lining, that I took later in the pregnancy. I had my second son within an hr after arrival, and didnt tear enough for even a stitch. She ordered food of our choice( i wanted Dennys grand slam) My baby stayed in the room, which was like a bedroom. And I went home in a few hours, I was almost shocked how soon they let me go home. And it never stung to go pee afterwards like the last one!</p>
<p>I had ideal births, and I must say. I dont like being pregnant and I dont like labor, ITS HURTS. I dont wish for an epidural or pain meds either. But despite it going well, IT HURTS. And Im not a woman who has forgotten that once the baby came as other say. I remember. IT HURTS!!!! And back labor OUCH that is rough. </p>
<p>I wasnt sick all through my prenancies, in good health, and Im just not big on the whole ordeal. So we are all different. </p>
<p>I am glad I did it and have great stories to tell and feel empowered, but I also dont want to do it again. Id rather adopt.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://theattachedfamily.com/?p=2988&#038;cpage=1#comment-3891</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the article and comments with interest and i hope the ladies who had a particularly bad time are finding a way to come to terms with things. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

My planned home water birth ended in an emergency cesarean which i would class as only mildly traumatic, but i too had an amazing high afterwards and it did last weeks. Compared to any joy i&#039;d know pre-baby, this was off the scale! 

I was told natural labouring would give me the highs, make breastfeeding easier, and mean a shorter recovery but i &#039;only&#039; got to 3cm during my 30 hour labour and breastfeeding was terribly tough, so it makes no sense to me... My husband said the pain fell away from my face as the epidural took effect.
On reflection i think the preparation we do for a natural birth can be very helpful afterwards when dealing with the trauma but taking a flexible attitude so that you can move on to plan b, plan c or even make it up as you go, is vital, and your partner needs to feel the same way.  the change in plan may be changing caregivers or supporters - you never know what&#039;s going to happen and have to try and be &#039;ready for anything&#039;. 

Being told to be greatful for what you&#039;ve got when you&#039;re feeling overwhelmed with trauma is fairly typical (and a few people said it to me) but it&#039;s so unhelpful!!!  Having said that, I recently suffered a late miscarriage and at that point I was already terrified about the birth, i&#039;d spent hours researching and agonising about how my much-loved unborn baby was going to make it into the world. So next time round i am going to find some calm in my heart and go with the flow, and i know i will be greatful for my baby, but wow what did i suffer to get to that point (i am still hoping for another high though!). 
Do we make too much of all of this?? i try and tell myself that i do.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article and comments with interest and i hope the ladies who had a particularly bad time are finding a way to come to terms with things. Thanks for sharing your experiences.</p>
<p>My planned home water birth ended in an emergency cesarean which i would class as only mildly traumatic, but i too had an amazing high afterwards and it did last weeks. Compared to any joy i&#8217;d know pre-baby, this was off the scale! </p>
<p>I was told natural labouring would give me the highs, make breastfeeding easier, and mean a shorter recovery but i &#8216;only&#8217; got to 3cm during my 30 hour labour and breastfeeding was terribly tough, so it makes no sense to me&#8230; My husband said the pain fell away from my face as the epidural took effect.<br />
On reflection i think the preparation we do for a natural birth can be very helpful afterwards when dealing with the trauma but taking a flexible attitude so that you can move on to plan b, plan c or even make it up as you go, is vital, and your partner needs to feel the same way.  the change in plan may be changing caregivers or supporters &#8211; you never know what&#8217;s going to happen and have to try and be &#8216;ready for anything&#8217;. </p>
<p>Being told to be greatful for what you&#8217;ve got when you&#8217;re feeling overwhelmed with trauma is fairly typical (and a few people said it to me) but it&#8217;s so unhelpful!!!  Having said that, I recently suffered a late miscarriage and at that point I was already terrified about the birth, i&#8217;d spent hours researching and agonising about how my much-loved unborn baby was going to make it into the world. So next time round i am going to find some calm in my heart and go with the flow, and i know i will be greatful for my baby, but wow what did i suffer to get to that point (i am still hoping for another high though!).<br />
Do we make too much of all of this?? i try and tell myself that i do&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://theattachedfamily.com/?p=2988&#038;cpage=1#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have four children.  The first two births were with epidurals in which I experienced severe pain.  After my second birth, I developed a spinal headache, which was worst pain than delivering the 8 pound 14 oz baby with the batched epidural.  During, my third pregnancy I decided that I would not have an epidural.  I hired a dula which was the best thing that I ever did.  I have to admit that I did ask for an epidural, but at that point the labor was progressing so fast that I decided that I would not be able to remain still for it to be administered.  The dula was essential in helping me manage the back labor.  For my fourth birth I used a midwife.  She was also great at helping me manage the pain.  The best part was I didnt tear at all this time.  During both my epidural free births, I did receive pitocin.  My advice to anyone planninng for an epidural free birth is to have a trained experienced labor coach by your side.  My husband is the best support, but child birth is emotional for men as well.  Having a trained professional one step removed is a wonderful support I wish every woman could avail herself to.  Good luck to all those planning for a natural birth.  Believe in yourself you can do it!  Idursls aren&#039;t always all they are cracked up to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have four children.  The first two births were with epidurals in which I experienced severe pain.  After my second birth, I developed a spinal headache, which was worst pain than delivering the 8 pound 14 oz baby with the batched epidural.  During, my third pregnancy I decided that I would not have an epidural.  I hired a dula which was the best thing that I ever did.  I have to admit that I did ask for an epidural, but at that point the labor was progressing so fast that I decided that I would not be able to remain still for it to be administered.  The dula was essential in helping me manage the back labor.  For my fourth birth I used a midwife.  She was also great at helping me manage the pain.  The best part was I didnt tear at all this time.  During both my epidural free births, I did receive pitocin.  My advice to anyone planninng for an epidural free birth is to have a trained experienced labor coach by your side.  My husband is the best support, but child birth is emotional for men as well.  Having a trained professional one step removed is a wonderful support I wish every woman could avail herself to.  Good luck to all those planning for a natural birth.  Believe in yourself you can do it!  Idursls aren&#8217;t always all they are cracked up to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi</title>
		<link>http://theattachedfamily.com/?p=2988&#038;cpage=1#comment-2092</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 01:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ashley, thank you so much for this story.  We had a homebirth with our son, and 18 months later we all still very very traumatized by it all.  Its hard to point out what was worse . . . the fact that our midwife didnt come (she was busy) and we had to beg to have anyone, the fact she sent her apprentice who was very hands off and didnt know what she was doing, the fact that no one sewed my HORRIBLE tear and I wandered around for weeks ripping it open, the fact that the scarring down there will always be there, the fact that I hemmoraghed so horrible afterwards, it also took me months to recovery the blood loss . . . or the fact that I just find it so . . . so painful to be around the &quot;natural birth is wonderful!&quot; crowd.  I just dont even know how to respond to that.  I think I need, for my sanity, to choose an epidural next time, but I feel wracked with guilt and dissapointment.  I am very much of the attachment parenting persuasian, and would generally do ANYTHING, really ANYTHING for my children . . . I feel so bad I dont want to do this.  Maybe if the natural birth = good recovery and non-traumatic birth equation had worked out for us, I could find a reason to do it again.  Sadly, it did not.  Thanks for this post.  I enjoyed laboring.  If pushing hadnt felt like I was being raped with a knife, I think I would do it again.  I might still, simply because I really want that natural birth fairytale to work out for us.  Its just so hard to know what the best thing to do is, for myself.  I cannot explain why I want so so badly to do another natural, but fear I will just end up in the same position, asking &quot;why why why??&quot; do people even DO that??  And if that&#039;s my response, should I really do it at all??  I just dont know.  Thank you for posting.  It helped me, though I think I still have a long long way to go.  Mostly I just feel sad . . . so hard to shake the feelings of failure . . . why I&#039;m not like the other women that can smile and say &quot;I cant wait to give birth!&quot;.  Don&#039;t even know how to respond to that one.  Don&#039;t even know.  I&#039;d really love to hear back from you, if you have the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley, thank you so much for this story.  We had a homebirth with our son, and 18 months later we all still very very traumatized by it all.  Its hard to point out what was worse . . . the fact that our midwife didnt come (she was busy) and we had to beg to have anyone, the fact she sent her apprentice who was very hands off and didnt know what she was doing, the fact that no one sewed my HORRIBLE tear and I wandered around for weeks ripping it open, the fact that the scarring down there will always be there, the fact that I hemmoraghed so horrible afterwards, it also took me months to recovery the blood loss . . . or the fact that I just find it so . . . so painful to be around the &#8220;natural birth is wonderful!&#8221; crowd.  I just dont even know how to respond to that.  I think I need, for my sanity, to choose an epidural next time, but I feel wracked with guilt and dissapointment.  I am very much of the attachment parenting persuasian, and would generally do ANYTHING, really ANYTHING for my children . . . I feel so bad I dont want to do this.  Maybe if the natural birth = good recovery and non-traumatic birth equation had worked out for us, I could find a reason to do it again.  Sadly, it did not.  Thanks for this post.  I enjoyed laboring.  If pushing hadnt felt like I was being raped with a knife, I think I would do it again.  I might still, simply because I really want that natural birth fairytale to work out for us.  Its just so hard to know what the best thing to do is, for myself.  I cannot explain why I want so so badly to do another natural, but fear I will just end up in the same position, asking &#8220;why why why??&#8221; do people even DO that??  And if that&#8217;s my response, should I really do it at all??  I just dont know.  Thank you for posting.  It helped me, though I think I still have a long long way to go.  Mostly I just feel sad . . . so hard to shake the feelings of failure . . . why I&#8217;m not like the other women that can smile and say &#8220;I cant wait to give birth!&#8221;.  Don&#8217;t even know how to respond to that one.  Don&#8217;t even know.  I&#8217;d really love to hear back from you, if you have the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Marisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to say one thing about the epidural, I had one and I still felt every single contraction. So to say &quot;it&#039;s like sitting here typing&quot; isn&#039;t the case for everyone. The nurses said I would be able to take a nap ummmm not so much. So if someone has an epidural you may not feel anything but just don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say one thing about the epidural, I had one and I still felt every single contraction. So to say &#8220;it&#8217;s like sitting here typing&#8221; isn&#8217;t the case for everyone. The nurses said I would be able to take a nap ummmm not so much. So if someone has an epidural you may not feel anything but just don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the case for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 01:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jennifer, it sounds like where you live there is some support of natural birth. That is great!  I, however, lived in Mississippi at the time.  I think their c-section rate was 50%.  Yikes.  At my second birth, I did refuse pitocin for the placenta delivery, but I was told I had no choice and it was administered anyway.  I was very exhausted, as it was just seconds after I had pushed a baby out, and I was vulnerable to everything around me.  I have no regrets about any of my births, because I know I did the very best I could for each one.  I&#039;m sorry you feel sad after reading my story. Luckily, I don&#039;t.  Thanks for asking about my healing.  I healed very quickly each time and am now the proud, attached mom of 3!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, it sounds like where you live there is some support of natural birth. That is great!  I, however, lived in Mississippi at the time.  I think their c-section rate was 50%.  Yikes.  At my second birth, I did refuse pitocin for the placenta delivery, but I was told I had no choice and it was administered anyway.  I was very exhausted, as it was just seconds after I had pushed a baby out, and I was vulnerable to everything around me.  I have no regrets about any of my births, because I know I did the very best I could for each one.  I&#8217;m sorry you feel sad after reading my story. Luckily, I don&#8217;t.  Thanks for asking about my healing.  I healed very quickly each time and am now the proud, attached mom of 3!</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How sad that part of the reason you gave for the epidural was so people in the hospital wouldn&#039;t look at you like you are crazy or weird for wanting a natural birth. That speaks volumes about how sad our medical system is.
I had a natural birth in a hospital setting and refused the pitocin for afterbirth. They can&#039;t force you to be hooked up to a drip. I find it hard to fathom consenting to a procedure that is unnecessary and could possible impede bonding with my newborn because it is &quot;protocol.&quot;
I feel like not getting an epidural because you don&#039;t feel like &quot;fighting&quot; the arbitrary hospital procedures and rules is really sad. With that being said, I am not criticizing your decision to get an epidural, as I have no problem with that. Rather, my issue is some of the rationale behind that decision. I find this just sad all the way around.
I hope your recovery was swift and I wish you the best of luck next time around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad that part of the reason you gave for the epidural was so people in the hospital wouldn&#8217;t look at you like you are crazy or weird for wanting a natural birth. That speaks volumes about how sad our medical system is.<br />
I had a natural birth in a hospital setting and refused the pitocin for afterbirth. They can&#8217;t force you to be hooked up to a drip. I find it hard to fathom consenting to a procedure that is unnecessary and could possible impede bonding with my newborn because it is &#8220;protocol.&#8221;<br />
I feel like not getting an epidural because you don&#8217;t feel like &#8220;fighting&#8221; the arbitrary hospital procedures and rules is really sad. With that being said, I am not criticizing your decision to get an epidural, as I have no problem with that. Rather, my issue is some of the rationale behind that decision. I find this just sad all the way around.<br />
I hope your recovery was swift and I wish you the best of luck next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aside from a little bit of nitrous oxide I had 2 natural deleiveries. The first one was very fast and I managed through the pain very well. The second one was almost 2lbs bigger and the pain was much worse. The pushing part was the toughest for me. I had a hemorrhage after, which took a lot of wind out of my sails. If I were to have another baby I would choose a epidural. I think because the labor was fast, intense and the baby was 10 lbs I hemorraged. My second experience was somewhat traumatic...it took me months to recover from all the blood loss. I would choose an epidural because it would help me to relax and give use a better experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from a little bit of nitrous oxide I had 2 natural deleiveries. The first one was very fast and I managed through the pain very well. The second one was almost 2lbs bigger and the pain was much worse. The pushing part was the toughest for me. I had a hemorrhage after, which took a lot of wind out of my sails. If I were to have another baby I would choose a epidural. I think because the labor was fast, intense and the baby was 10 lbs I hemorraged. My second experience was somewhat traumatic&#8230;it took me months to recover from all the blood loss. I would choose an epidural because it would help me to relax and give use a better experience.</p>
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